Appeal to Lady Kerrina, and the rest of Ireem:

Regarding:

prey pretending to be predators
the sanctity of our camps
and
"immunity" from the normal dangers in life for healers.

I strongly urge the people of Ireem to lay off Am. In my opinion, he did nothing wrong, except perhaps refrain from killing a spy who continued to make trouble, even after being captured for questioning.

From what I understand, the prey, Inti, while dressed in a very flimsy slaver disguise, tried to interfere with Am while he was disciplining a slave in his camp.

Am attacked Inti for it, and captured her. Wong, the slavers' leader, had no problem with that, especially since Inti is NOT a slaver, but rather was apparently a spy or something much more sinister. The slavers clearly had reason to wish to question her about her motives and activities in their camp.

Inti appeared to be in fine health when I saw her, very soon after the fight. But the fact is, that Am had captured her while Inti was armed, wearing a stolen slaver's sword. She was his captive. He owned her. It was his right to punish her as he saw fit.

She is lucky she was not killed and thrown to the sharks, in my opinion. She was playing a very dangerous game, and was completely unprepared for the consequences of her actions.

While Inti was captured, Kerri tried to interfere in the slavers' camp. She was ordered to leave, so Am could deal with the prey-disguised-as-slaver, and she refused. Then Am attacked her as she would not leave otherwise.

We are predators. We are fighters. If prey wish to steal predator's clothing and weapons, they should not complain when they get the stuffing beat out of them. Normally we cannot demand our captor allow the healer into the camp to treat us. We're lucky, when we lose a fight, that the captor doesn't slit our throat and be done with it.

If an interloper invited the healer into the Magi Tower while I was questioning him or her, to understand exactly WHY they were disguised in Magi clothing, and the healer tried to interfere, I would probably do as Am did.

Order her out, and hit her with my sword, and capture her if she refused to respect the sacred space of the tower.

Lady Kerrina has been attacked before. She was kidnapped and hidden away for days by a slaver, beaten and drugged. Undead have attacked her. Others have as well. She even had an assassin hunting her down, having followed her from other lands.

To expect that all must follow some code of ethics regarding one healer, is a bit... well... delusional. There are crazy people in Ireem. There are angry and selfish and greedy people in Ireem. There are undead MONSTERS in Ireem. I would not let my infants crawl the streets of Ireem, unprotected, and expect that every stranger they meet will "do the right thing" and not harm them.

Perhaps you all have noticed the Sultana wandering around, unarmed and unprotected?

No? You haven't? That's because she's wiser than that. Sure, in a perfect world she should be ABLE to wander her own city unprotected. But the reality is that if she does so, she will eventually be hurt.

I have never once, since picking up my sword the first time, been foolish enough to walk the sands without it at my side. If I did, and I was captured and abused, I would have no one but myself to blame.

Lady Kerrina MUST know by now that slavers, especially, cannot all be trusted to be gentle with her.

After the last attack on her, I strongly advised her to carry a sword and learn how to use it.

Once again, Lady Kerrina, I urge you to take more responsibility for your own welfare. Carry a sword. Get knights to teach you to use it, or buy lessons from WongFei.

No woman should be without defense in any part of this world, healer or not. Either have a constant guard, or learn to protect yourself.

Wandering alone as an unprotected, potential easy victim is creating animosity between knights and predators. In fact, one might question whether you seek more injured fighters to treat, and starting a war is one way to ensure you get them.

Promote peace. Speak softly, and carry a big stick.

18 comments:

The Hippocratic Oath that most physicians have followed since the fourth century B.C. forbids the practitioner of healing from harming another being, so carrying a sword would be a rather pointless exercise and a waste of Kerri's strength.

December 5, 2008 at 10:20 AM  

I would have to agree with you on this one, aye.

December 5, 2008 at 10:31 AM  

I don't see any reference to pacifism in the Hippocratic Oath.

If healers are not permitted to defend themselves or their families, then every single healer should be treated as royalty, with armed guards.

Otherwise, they are ripe for the plucking for any greedy villain out there.

"I swear by Apollo, Asclepius, Hygieia, and Panacea, and I take to witness all the gods, all the goddesses, to keep according to my ability and my judgment, the following Oath.

To consider dear to me, as my parents, him who taught me this art; to live in common with him and, if necessary, to share my goods with him; To look upon his children as my own brothers, to teach them this art.

I will prescribe regimens for the good of my patients according to my ability and my judgment and never do harm to anyone.

I will not give a lethal drug to anyone if I am asked, nor will I advise such a plan; and similarly I will not give a woman a pessary to cause an abortion.

But I will preserve the purity of my life and my arts.

I will not cut for stone, even for patients in whom the disease is manifest; I will leave this operation to be performed by practitioners, specialists in this art.

In every house where I come I will enter only for the good of my patients, keeping myself far from all intentional ill-doing and all seduction and especially from the pleasures of love with women or with men, be they free or slaves.

All that may come to my knowledge in the exercise of my profession or in daily commerce with men, which ought not to be spread abroad, I will keep secret and will never reveal.

If I keep this oath faithfully, may I enjoy my life and practice my art, respected by all men and in all times; but if I swerve from it or violate it, may the reverse be my lot."

December 5, 2008 at 10:51 AM  

the term is "Do no harm".

December 5, 2008 at 11:50 AM  

it is traditionally the case that even in a war both sides respect those who are in the medical profession as "hands off" Not that they might not be captured but they are treated correctly. That said of course this fact does not give a physician the right to put themselves where they are not desired. In this case I feel that both sides were in the wrong, Kerry shouldn't have been attacked but at the same time it is her responsibility to leave when asked. If she wishes to tread on a non attack stance then she must abide by the wishes of those who's camp she enters.

December 5, 2008 at 11:56 AM  

The "never do harm" is in the same sentence regarding treatment.

"I will prescribe regimens for the good of my patients according to my ability and my judgment and never do harm to anyone."

There is nothing in the Hippocratic Oath stating that healers should never defend themselves.

Any female, in particular, is in danger if she is not prepared to defend herself. Being a healer does not automatically cure others of insanity, aggression, and greed.

December 5, 2008 at 12:05 PM  

Correct me if I am wrong here but I was an undead months ago and I remember Lady Kerry having immunity from the undead attacks and could enter our zone freely because Anne was the leader at the time and said she was to be welcome there and not harmed by any of us in our zone or out in the sands either. Which was fine with me because the dear woman keeps the prey nice and healthy for snacking.
But seems to be a new standard now? Maybe Anne has it in for her suddenly? Why the sudden change? Are Magi now more ruthless than undead? And who is she to tell her what to do? Is it not well known that we all profit from Kerry healing either ourselves or the profitable prey?

I think Anne has her own issues to deal with as it seems she can't make up her mind now. She complains and whines when she is attacked in every single fight and always has to force her way to be domineering and right.

Just let the Healer do her job, she is kind to everyone, and mind your own rp affairs.

December 5, 2008 at 12:09 PM  

"Anonymous" - whoever you are - first, I was NEVER the "leader" of the Undead. Queen Kora has been.

The decision to grant immunity to Kerri was made by the Undead as a group at the time. No one member could make that decision. It was a group decision, which we all agreed to.

In the case of last night, she was interfering when a slaver had a captive and needed to question the captive.

If Kerri were to enter the catacombs during the torture of a captive down there, I highly doubt the Undead would allow her to interfere with the torture and heal the patient.

I may be wrong, but that's my guess.

And if the Undead asked her to leave, I would assume they would attack if she refused.

Safe passage is a gift. Not a requirement.

December 5, 2008 at 12:28 PM  

I also want to state, for the record, that I NEVER whine when I am attacked, unless it's Sage, or Lance, and that's just because they think I'm adorable.

When I'm attacked, I do the sensible thing. I grab my sword and fight back, or I run like the wind to safety!

((OOC side note -- this IS all RP...))

December 5, 2008 at 12:34 PM  

I was there watching and she was healing in the middle of a fight once down in our den with specific orders from your mouth to not harm her while others wanted to attack her and have her for more than just lunch and heard it from you more than once out in the sands.

So then who were you anyway to order us or her around like you always do? Who would want to harm her anyway? All the woman does is heal. One more example of why You are the real reason I left.

Perhaps you should see Kerri for some help calm your control issues, as magi they seem be be even worsening, but that is to be expected since magi love to manipulate. (OOC Note: All IC rp of course)

December 5, 2008 at 1:25 PM  

Aren't the flowers lovely today? And that sky, wow, have you ever seen such a clear, cloudless day?

December 5, 2008 at 1:31 PM  

I don't recall Kerri ever healing anyone in the catacombs, except for poor Zhexiao, after I captured him and tried to ransom him back to the palace. We asked her to help him with that nasty gash on his head, the result of conking him over the head with the hilt of my sword.

But in the middle of a fight? No Undeads could be harmed in the catacombs. If we attacked a trespasser, I can't imagine ordering her to heal him in the middle of it.

And I am certain I never ordered any Undeads to do anything they didn't wish to do. The Undead were egalitarian. A family, and we did things by agreement only.

During my time as Undead, only 3 returned to the living, that I recall. Two because they were unhappy with being dead (I think having trouble getting laid when one is a corpse is one of the factors), and then there was Paul, whom we lured to the far corners of the kingdom and beat him viciously, for being a spy. I have not seen nor heard from him since, but I do believe he hates me for that action. But he DID keep referring to me as the leader, and kneeling at my feet, and I had to keep asking him to stop as it was disrespectful to our Queen.

Perhaps Paul has donned a disguise and returned to Ireem?

December 5, 2008 at 1:34 PM  

See I really see no argument here.

EVERYONE knows that over the ages all medical staff when told they are entering into in an allied zones to them in wars that they do not expect the locals who invited them for care to defend them or even the nearby defesive armed forces.

NO WAY not these guys! EVERYONE knows that all medical personell ever since history began are actually highly skilled trained combat ninja fighters armed with the latest weaponry. ((especially those Red Cross Nurses, they are the most dangerous!!!!))

So keep it secret... it is a conspiracy by all medical professionals. They are every nations first front line, every nations secret military force. Don't let those flimsy bandaids and the compassionate bedside manner fool you!

If she is true to her healer code of "First, do lots and lots of harm" our gentle beautiful Kerry is secretly a ninja with precision blade and combat skills! :p
HIA-YA!

December 5, 2008 at 1:41 PM  

What is a Red Cross Nurse?

Are they related to the Templar Knights?

December 5, 2008 at 1:49 PM  

I must say that was very common in wars for phisicians to carry a weapon of defense.It is a matter that can be read in history books.If the Healer feels that in some kind of situation she's in danger, she can defend herself. Using that weapon or simply calling for help.

In the matter of Anneliese, everybody in Ireem knows of my friendship and i come here because this has nothing to do with it and i wanted to make that clear before saying it.

I have never EVER saw her whining because of a fight.She goes, she faces it and either winning or loosing she continues the game with her head high.

So, just cut out the BS and come forward.

December 5, 2008 at 1:52 PM  

Um. . .hmm. . .I think I shall bow out of this thread with all this drama, but I did a bit of wandering on the net and it does look like you are right Anne, I had been under the impression that even combat medics went unarmed but it does appear that they are issues defensive only weapons to protect them and their patient. If Kerri chooses not to wear such then I suppose she will have to abide by the wishes of whichever camp she enters. *eyes the rest of the tread warily then backs out*

December 5, 2008 at 2:45 PM  

((please remember to keep all comments IC or I'll have to start monitoring them, the chronicles are an IC paper....thanks!))

December 5, 2008 at 3:15 PM  

A very strange article urging sympathy for the assailant and blaming the victim.......while admonishing all that this is a rough world...get used to it.
Admittedly every land has its share of villains, idiots, journalists and similar scum, but there is no obligation on all to applaud or endorse cruelty, impulsiveness and mindless violence, particularly against non-combatants.

So thankfully there are some in the and who label the behavior as unacceptable, condemn the transgressors, and take steps to make such actions less common. There is plenty of opportunity to battle armed foe or pursue willing prey. Attacking the weak is simply an easy alternative in any land.

December 5, 2008 at 4:03 PM  

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